On July 9, 1975, a 20-year-old aspiring actor named Kelsey Grammer boarded a flight to Colorado,

not for a role or an audition, but to identify the body of his little sister.

Before he became known as Frazier Crane, Kelsey was just a big brother who shared a close bond with his sister Karen.

When she was murdered just weeks before her 19th birthday, it shattered his world.

Hey guys, and welcome to the Moms and Mysteries podcast, a true crime podcast featuring myself,

Mandy, and my dear friend, Melissa, hi, Melissa. Hi, Melissa, how are you? I'm doing great, Melissa.

How are you doing? I'm wonderful. Thank you so much for asking. Mandy, I did something so fun this

week, and I think you should do it. And you may have done it before, but I fully recommend it. If you're coming to Orlando, I think people should do it. It's the out of control magic comedy dinner show. It's at Wonderworks. Fun. So fun. I think the tickets were like $25. Me and my sister brought our two boys and came with pizza, salad, dessert. They're really good with food allergies. And it was a really fun magic show where he's taking people up on the stage. And he's done it for like 25 years. Like it's the longest running dinner, theater theater magic comedy thing. And I thought it was so

much fun. Like, I don't know. I think you would enjoy it. At least your younger boy would enjoy it. I don't know if the older one. There's like an age where you get kind of too cool for this stuff. And you just don't enjoy anything when you're 15.

Yeah, everything.

I was sitting next to a teenager and I was like, oh, this is going to suck.

Right.

And then she was cracking up the whole time.

So I was like. Yeah, everything. I was sitting next to a teenager and I was like, oh, this is going to suck. And then she was cracking up the whole time. So I was like, okay, yeah, it was a lot of fun. Oh, cool. Yeah, I will have to look into that. I definitely think my youngest would really enjoy that. And now his older brother is off usually doing other things with his friends. So that's something. It sounds fun. I could take the the little one too. Yeah, it's really fun.

You'll like it.

So we'll get right into the story this week.

There is a lot to cover.

And this is a story that has been in the media a lot before and actually kind of is currently, it was talked about by Kelsey Grammer himself.

So this is the case that we're excited to share this week.

Karen Grammer was born on July 15, 1956, to Sally and Alan Grammer. She was smart as a whip and

talented as a poet, and she lived her life with joy and compassion. Karen and her brother Kelsey

were exceptionally close, and they had been through a lot together in their childhood.

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