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Hi guys, I'm Emma. I'm Julie. And we're the girls behind comments by Celeste.

And welcome to another episode of our Kardashian bonus show, Hey Jewel.

Hi, Emma. How you feeling? I'm good, how are you?

I think season four was a transformative one.

I so agree. I actually like factually know that it was.

It really was. So many things were changing. We were at such a pivotal time in their lives,

which I don't think I realized going in. It really was. And there are a lot of articles that

actually explicitly date back to this time, saying how Chloe's wedding and Courtney's pregnancy is

what like took the show to the next level or like kept the show going, which is so interesting

that it's two plot points that had nothing to do with Kim. Yeah, I think a lot of it also was

because we were starting as an audience to understand the level with which they were willing to

share. You know, there are only so many intimate things that can happen before such intense life

events. And so for them to show those, I think, yeah, you're right. It changed the trajectory of

the show for sure. These were also the plot points that were actual news stories for the first

time. Like I remember obviously being so invested in Chloe in the Mar as a celebrity couple,

not just as a reality TV show point. And I think a lot of people who didn't watch the show at all

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