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Kara Swisher has spent years reporting on the tech industry, and particularly the personalities

that make up its upper echelon. She's got a new memoir out called Burn Book and had this

fascinating conversation with NPR Steve Inskeep about what it's like reporting on these guys.

And what I hear in this conversation is her, I don't know, let's call it her BS radar,

getting more and more attuned to the musks and baselesses of the world the further she got into her career.

And they get into this exchange about lying and how Swisher almost expects them to lie all the time,

especially to themselves.

That's ahead.

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Many leaders of the tech industry have told their stories to Kara Swisher.

She chronicled decades of business dealings in Silicon Valley and went into business herself.

With another journalist, she organized lucrative conferences to interview tech billionaires.

She's written news columns, hosted podcasts, been on TV, and now has written a memoir, Burn

book, in which she says she is disillusioned with many of the people she covered.

Swisher calls Jeff Bezos venal, describes many others as socially awkward white dudes,

and says they warped society with addictive products and misinformation.

Yet she still likes many tech leaders and their products.

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