All right, I'm very excited. It is Thursday, June 4th. I'm here with not only Alyssa Farah Griffin, but our guest co-hosts, podcast Royalty, Harris, Fisher. Yes, I am. I'm a minor royalty, but it's... No, absolutely. Very honored to have you here. It's a small, like, Eastern European country. Yeah, but you've got a great castle, and it's a good economy. Yes, I'm a Viscountess. Oh, ooh.

I love it.

What would you be, princess?

I would strive to be princess, yes.

I'd be a jester of some kind.

But let's get into some of the things we talked about on the show today.

Carrie, you said some things that I wanted to dive a little bit more into. You mentioned the fact that a lot of journalists after that Trump attacks publicly, he then kind of calls them on the side. All the time. Have you seen this personally or you just hear the stories of it? Yes, I was at dinner. I shouldn't do it because it was a very well-known White House reporter, very well-known. He's a very good friend of mine. And she had been attacked by Trump, by name, and making up names about her. Like, he does that. He makes funny, weird names, like the Democrats or whatever. And I don't know, I don't even know her. Like, that was the thing. And the phone rings,

it's Donald Trump. And it was like, essentially a hey girl tone. Like, yeah. And I'm familiar with it because, like, a lot of people who attack me, then call me or text me. Not everybody,

but a lot of the times, there's a lot of performative nonsense. And so he is, what it is is he's so desperate for attention. And he is, I have to say, an A-plus student of media, right? That's the one thing he's really good at. I one time did a column where I called him the world's greatest internet troll, and he's very good at it. So was AOC. There's a lot of certain, Telerico's good at it. There's a bunch of them.

And he's one of the best. And so I knew he has to get attention. And he, of course, strives to

focus in on New York media particularly. But television media is the same thing. And Caitlin, I think he has,

I don't want to say affection, because it's something weird happening there, but he, he admires her in a weird way. One of the things at the panel today, but the most shocking thing about it was it was unprompted. It came out of nowhere. She hadn't even asked the question yet. Because he's looking at it. A lot of things are in his eyesight, right? And she's off, she puts herself in her, as she should, as a broadcast journalist.

And he's just, he's almost obsessed with her. It's creepy. And at the same time, it's obvious, like what's happening there, which is, I don't know. What are you, I mean, you were. Well, he's such a creature of media. And if you think about it, like he likes to fancy himself as this big real estate tycoon, but his, what he was most successful in was television.

Absolutely. You know, it was the apprentice. And I often talk about him as the executive producer in chief. Like he's constantly trying to make made for TV moments. I think you actually said this to me off air. The back and forth with the reporters, he actually likes that. He does to look like I stuck it to the mainstream media. I think he actually likes it, likes it. Yes, he really does, but he also needs them. He wants to get his stories out there. That's why he goes to them. That's why he's calling them. I doubt he's calling the, you know, my pillow guy, but he's calling John Carl. Why would you want suckups? Yeah, why would you want suckups at all?

They don't help you. And he doesn't respect them. But there's a need to be liked. There is, and when he's not, I think there's a fascination with why don't you like me. Hence the like, why are you not smiling? You're sure it's paid attention to it. You must pay attention to me. I mean, it's an endless well of need of attention.

He's an attention sponge.

There's another word, attention to. He must pay attention to me. I mean, it's an endless well of need of attention.

He's an attention sponge. There's another word. Attention horror is the word I've done. But he really is

and he needs it. And I think he really does, you know, he used to leak to all Cindy Adams or she's used to this.

He likes, he leaked his own affairs. Yeah. So there's nothing, everything is consumable for the media.

And in the new information age, it goes everywhere. And he does have a keen, a lot of older people

aren't good. He's, he really does understand. Especially for his age. Unfortunately, he's starting

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