From WNYC Studios.

I'm Brian Lerer.

This is my daily politics podcast.

It's Friday, March 29th.

With us now, the renowned tech journalist Kara Swisher with her new memoir called Burn Book, a tech love story. It's kind of a love,

hate story, really, I might describe it as, about the companies and devices we all use constantly,

but are alienated from at the same time. The tech moguls, she has covered for 30 years,

who have powered these epic changes in our culture,

and Kara's own changing views on the industry she's covered since the birth of the internet.

Kara Swisher hosts the podcast on with Kara Swisher and co-hosts the podcast Pivot with her and Scott Galloway.

She appears regularly on CNN, was a New York Times

columnist, as many of you know, and founder of Recode, among other things.

Kara, thanks for making this one of your stops. Welcome back to WNYC.

Well, thank you. I'm thrilled to be here, and most of my family is thrilled I'm here because

they listen to you all. That's great. Can I start with a story that some of our listeners may have seen in the New York Magazine excerpt from the book,

in which you described being a young journalist at the Washington Post like 30 years ago

and being relegated to covering this new thing called the Internet because the editors saw it as fringy, a low-impact beat.

What year was that? And why were you more interested than your editors at the time?

It was 92 or 93. I'm trying to, you know, I covered AOL because they actually had me do it because

I was the young person on the staff. I was young, relatively young compared to everybody else.

I think it was in my early 30s.

And I understood this internet computer thing. That was why I was put on it. I actually,

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