Hey, this is Adriana, one of the producers of Uncanny Valley.

We're preparing something special and a little different that we will share with you on the feed later this week.

But today, we're bringing you a conversation between Wired's global editorial director Katie Drummond

and longtime tech journalist and friend of the pod, Kara Swisher.

They recently sat down to talk about Silicon Valley's obsession with living forever.

Kara decided to look into it in depth for her new CNN series, Kara Swisher wants to live forever.

And through her reporting, she found a booming industry with more than a few surprises along the way.

Here's our conversation.

This is Katie Drummond Wired's global editorial director.

Today I'm joined by journalist and podcast host Kara Swisher, who's embarking on a new venture,

a six-part docu-series on longevity that aims to parse rumors from reality. Kara Swisher wants to live forever is a six-part CNN original series that airs on Saturdays. The first episode is already out on streaming, and Kara is here now to tell us more. Yes. Welcome back, Kara, friend of Katie's good to see you. Great to see you too.

So I want to start at the beginning. I just watched the first episode. And I understand that the series in many ways was born out of one of our favorite topics here at Wired. And that is, of course, Silicon

Valley and the moguls who run it. You've been covering those moguls for decades and you were

covering them as they became the billionaires and the moguls. Before. I was the before times.

Now you have to deal with them now. Well, I'm pretty sure you're still dealing with them. Sadly,

I raised them badly and now you have to deal with them. But part of the raising badly that you did is that

so many of these guys have now become obsessed with longevity. They

become obsessed with sort of physical optimization or maybe however they see that.

I don't know that I would consider Jeff's physique, my ideal physique, but he is clearly in some

sort of... Oh, Lauren seems to like it. So let's just leave it at that. Lauren seems to like it just fine and good for her. But how did you watch that relationship that some of them had to health and longevity evolve? Well, you know, you talk about just body you know, we're not supposed to talk about people's physical looks, but wow, he's different. He's different. All I'm saying is he's not my type, but good for her. I could have thrown across the room years ago when I first met him, and maybe I did. But the thing that's interesting to me, it's not just that, it's the investments, it's the massive investments, whether it's Larry Ellison, who's created an entire institute for this. Musk has been involved. Bezos, of course, has talked about it and made investments, Altman, and many more.

There's lots. And of course, a lot of it was also around psychedelics and ketamine.

You know, they were the first just to make significant investments in that area.

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