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Hello, everyone, and welcome to police off the cuff, real crime stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

Folks, this case that we're covering tonight, we covered it a while ago.

And it was, it's such a horrible, horrible case what happened to these two moms known as the Kansas moms.

Just an absolutely horrific, horrific case.

And we covered it, and there's some updates in it now.

There wasn't much in regards to the actual court case or anything with this,

but there was more now in regards to how these two moms,

Veronica Butler on the left of this thumbnail and Jillian Kelly on the right,

how they died.

And it was just horrific.

And we found out a lot about the community,

about the situation they were in,

but just absolutely horrific what occurred here.

And we just couldn't get over it when we covered it the sheer amount of violence.

And then, of course, the people involved there, you see them up on the screen,

and they look like a rogues gallery, you know.

And left to right, of course, the kingpin here, Tiffany Adams,

all the way on the left, the grandma, she's been known as.

And next to her, her her boyfriend who looks

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