Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World.

I'm Christian Giroum earthy, and this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary

people about the big ideas and their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest this week is the novelist and writer Kamala Sharmsie.

Now Kamala is probably most famous for her novel home fire, which I think was number seven

in her list of books, but one, the women's prize for fiction was a shortlisted for

the booker, and got a lot of attention because of the topics it picked up on.

And her current book, which is out in paperback, is Best of Friends.

You may also have seen her writing in Vogue and Guardian and New Statesman and all sorts

of other progressive left-leaning.

Go into the industry.

And Kamala, you grew up in Karachi, but you're British now.

Yeah.

I mean, I mean, are you British, Pakistani, Pakistani, what are you?

I am British and Pakistani.

Right.

I mean, when I'm watching cricket, I'm very Pakistani, but I've been living in London

for the last 16 years.

This is home.

And Karachi's home in a different way.

I mean, I don't think one has to be particularly monogamous to the idea of a nation or a home.

And it's, you know, of course, the really significant thing about citizenship is it

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