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Kamala: Historic, Safe, and Complicated

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2020

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Kamala Harris is having an historic moment. What does it mean?

Guest: Jason Johnson, political science professor at Morgan State University. 

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0:00.0

Jason Johnson, a political scientist at Morgan State University.

0:09.0

He's got this problem with Joe Biden.

0:11.2

He says, Joe, can't keep a secret.

0:14.1

Joe Biden is your friend who's still in the driveway with a handful of balloons when you're bringing your wife up for her surprise party.

0:19.7

It's like, geez, dude.

0:21.7

He's just wrecked it for everybody.

0:26.1

Over the last year, Jason says one of the biggest secrets Biden just couldn't keep to himself

0:31.5

was his presidential running mate. We all know who that is now. But Jason says he was sure it would be Kamala Harris months ago.

0:41.3

I'm going to read you something you wrote back at the beginning of July. You said Kamala Harris is going

0:47.4

to be Joe Biden's vice president. We can debate the merits of that pending decision, just like you

0:52.8

can debate the sunrise, but it's going to

0:55.4

happen either way. What made you so sure? Because Joe Biden talked himself into a corner about a

1:03.9

year ago, and he didn't have many options. Joe Biden let the cat out of the bag last year. He didn't

1:08.5

just say, hey, I'm going to pick a woman VP. He's like,

1:10.9

I'm going to pick a woman VP. And then the first names he started rattling off for like Stacey Abrams,

1:15.3

Michelle Obama, all these black women. And his campaign did absolutely nothing. I know because I was in

1:21.7

pretty constant contact with him. They did nothing to dispel the rumor and then eventually the belief that Joe Biden was going to pick a black woman.

1:30.6

And so once you say, I'm going to pick a black woman as my VP, you automatically narrowed down the list to about three, maybe four people.

1:38.5

But it's funny you say that because when you wrote that, it was a time when all sorts of other names were being floated.

1:46.6

We were talking about Susan Rice, we were talking about Karen Bass and Val Demings.

1:51.5

Did you just look at those folks and just say, there's no way?

1:56.2

So all these other names, they were tossing them out because they're like,

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