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The Run-Up

Kamala Harris on Kamala Harris

The Run-Up

The New York Times

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.42K Ratings

🗓️ 25 July 2024

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Warning: this episode contains strong language and mentions of sexual abuse. Since 2019, our host, Astead Herndon, has been reporting on Kamala Harris — from her campaign for the 2020 Democratic nomination to her time as vice president. Over the years, the same questions have swirled around her. What does she stand for? How does she make decisions? Was she only selected as President Biden’s running mate because of her race and gender? Today, Ms. Harris is the presumptive Democratic nominee after Mr. Biden decided to withdraw from the 2024 race. Americans are once again looking at Ms. Harris as their potential president. And on “The Run-Up,” we wanted to play two excerpts from conversations that get at those essential questions. One is with a longtime friend of Ms. Harris. And one is with the vice president herself. On today’s episode: Senator Laphonza Butler, Democrat of California Vice President Kamala Harris

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0:17.0

So Jim So Democrats have their new presumptive nominee. I hate Delaware. Kamaa, Kamaa, Kamaa, Kamaa, Kamaa,

0:25.0

Thank you guys.

0:28.0

And in the day since Kamala Harris stepped into this role,

0:31.0

I've been going back through my own reporting. I've been covering Harris

0:35.5

since early 2019 and I was the Times reporter assigned to her a presidential run.

0:40.3

Last year I wrote an in-depth article about her for the Times magazine, examining some of the questions that have swirled around her in Washington.

0:50.0

Like, what does she stand for? How does she make decisions? And what she only selected

0:57.3

as Biden's running mate because of her race and gender?

1:00.3

Today, as Americans are once again looking at Harris as their potential president,

1:08.0

I wanted to listen back to two excerpts from conversations I had last year, to hear how the questions that felt so big then land now. One with a friend who knows Harris very well, and another with Harris herself.

1:27.0

From the New York Times,'m astead Herndon.

1:33.0

This is the run-up.

1:35.0

When I think about my time covering Harris,

1:40.0

the word that comes to mind is guarded.

1:43.0

Not only can she be cautious as a candidate,

1:46.0

but the people around her are often quite cautious as well,

1:50.0

worried about offending her,

1:52.0

or getting ahead of her on a particular issue.

1:55.0

I talked to more than 75 people for the magazine article,

2:00.0

Childhood friends, former staffers, political allies, and people in senior positions in Biden's

2:05.9

White House.

2:07.5

But one boy stood out in particular, someone who knows Harris as a person and politician

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