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old talk about, you know, gestures broadly, all of this. We really sort of focused on how we got

here, what precisely is wrong with America and how we, all of us, are going to figure our way out of here. And also a little bit about how Democrats are going to change to do their part to help us get out of here, too. It's a pretty good talk. I think you'll like it. Here's the show. I'm here with the one, the only JVL from the bulwark.

It's just us right now. So I'm going to give it a minute. Well, we can just chitch out.

Nice to meet you. We've never been a person. I'll do my fanning out right now. I really,

you know, I'll be honest that I really didn't know you or your work before I knew of your association with Tim and Sarah and the bulwark.

But what I was thinking about it before we talk, that what I appreciate, and it is rare now,

and we know why, I appreciate seeing the, like, the force of somebody who's conservative and someone

who has conservative philosophy that's really rooted, like a set of values, a view,

a worldview, put towards the project of fighting against Trump and this version of what a lot of Republicans have come to represent

and that you do it from a point of view outside of the water I'm used to swimming in,

which is the urban, urban, cosm is the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the urban, urban cosmopolitan online left.

Uh, yeah, you wrote about, uh, some Republicans, uh, some MAGA Republicans who were starting to

become disillusioned with Trump because of how it was impacting a fire department

program that they cared about. And so I've just really appreciated your perspective. All right,

we have some people here. I want to start with what we learned, the news today, which is we have National Guard members from West Virginia, joined by members from Ohio, Mississippi.

Oh, we're getting the red been there too now?

I believe so.

That's right.

I don't know if they're there now, but my understanding is they're a part of this first

cohort that's heading in.

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