Hey friend, welcome to the Mere Christians Podcast. I'm Jordan Rayner.

How does the gospel influence the work of mere Christians?

Those of us who aren't pastors or religious professionals,

but who work as loan officers, roofers, and medical assistance?

That's the question we explore every week and today I'm

posing it to Justin Mc Roberts. He's a songwriter, musician, and author of a

terrific new book called Sacred Strides, The Journey to Belovedness in Work and Rest.

Justin and I sat down and had a terrific conversation about how practically to work and rest from a place of belovedness

in Christ. We talked about what types of rest can save you from burnout and exhausting vacations.

We even talked about how ridiculous songs, like Justin's,

You Make the Poops, can honor God.

This is one of my favorite episodes I've recorded this year. You guys are going to love this conversation with Justin Mc Roberts. Hey Justin welcome to the Mir Christians podcast man. Happy to be here man. Thanks for having me

excited we're getting a chance to hang. I've been a fan of yours from a far for a little bit. You've done a lot professionally. I was

re-reading your bio. I was like, oh my gosh, with the short version of the

Justin Mc Roberts story. From professional standpoint, my, you know, Seth

Godin says that art is anything you do that forces

connection between people and as my skill set has evolved as my passions have changed what I'm really up to has stayed the same and I do the best I can to

form connections with people.

That's the through line.

That's the through line.

It was music for a long time and even doing, while I was playing music, I was telling a lot of stories.

It became storytelling, which parlayed itself into some preaching, which part related itself into retreat leading and books and podcasts and whatever way I can find it's sort of like you know whatever way I can get to you that's how I'm going to get to you and that's been the story.

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