Welcome to the political orphanage, a show soaring far, above above the Red Team versus Blue Team slap fight,

like a bunch of old-timey Spit fighter pilots,

sipping cocktails on a dirigible.

I am joined today by Catherine Mangue Ward. You are the editor-in-chief of reason. Is that the correct title of Reason magazine?

Indeed it is. Wonderful. That is I. Yeah, and my former boss, among other things for when I was there.

Yep, to my eternal regret and chagrin. Since I believe everything you've done since is somehow my fault.

And I'll note I left on good terms. I wasn't pushed.

Well, good, it's great to have you on.

And I wanted to talk to you about Justin Amash because reason is the

the foremost Libertarian magazine of the country you are the the head of said

magazine so I feel like you've got your pulse on on what's going on with the 2020 election but in particular how

libertarians and third-party candidates are going to factor into it.

So when when Justin Amash last week announced he was running for the LP nomination, did all the

reason folk like pop champagne bottles at their houses separately?

Like what was the reaction?

So I would say this is something we've been looking for, looking forward to maybe for a long time and many of us were I would

think mildly frustrated by how long it took Amash to make this decision.

At the same time, I understand his position completely,

which is that running a presidential campaign

is very difficult and soul-sucking and to decide to do that in any climate but

especially given both coronavirus and the shenanigans that are the

2020 campaign that's a pretty tough call. So I respect that he thought

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