This is words matter with Norm Ornstein. We've got the votes and

screw the rest of you. And Dr. Kavita Patel.

These might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all the bombshells, didn't catch people's

eyes. Each week Norm Bernstein and I will talk about the issues facing our country and Norm do we have a doozy.

We almost had I would say a curse of riches and trying to decide what topics we were going to tease out,

but I think we landed with some conversation

about what I effectually call, you know, the Supreme Court unraveling every regulation we've all ever

worked on in the entire United States government or is known as the Chevron doctrine.

And then we'll also have maybe if normal indulge us.

Just a conversation about our aging leaders. I'm going to leave it at that because it's not about the debate. It's not about who should be the replacement ticket for

2024 on the Democratic Party. It's about this concept of what does it mean to be a

country that has either way you face it two nominees that are

octogenarians and all the things that come with that.

So Norm, I know it's been a busy week.

You've been tweeting up a storm and we've been doing other pods.

Tell me how we can give our viewers, viewers,

our listeners, a sense of the impact of the Chevron doctrine.

I think it's still not getting enough attention probably because most of us

don't quite know what is going to happen. But tell us your read on it and if you've talked to any

colleagues about it. Sure and you know it was interesting today

Looking at the headline in the Washington Post about this and fortunately you know I would say commendive

for the post the big headline front page above the fold was about the Supreme Court, which is a huge piece of news, but it was basically court moves, I won't use the exact word, smartly to the

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