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Hi, I'm Amy Donaldson. And I'm Cheryl Worsley, and this is Talking Cold.

This is the podcast that seeks to delve into the issues raised by the Cold podcast. Today, we're going to be discussing episode 10. So if you haven't already listened to episode 10 of

cold, please go to Amazon.com slash cold podcasts, listen and then hurry back to us.

I'm really excited to talk with our guest today. It's Jason Hermes with Utah Search Dogs.

I wanted to talk with Jason because investigators searched for Joyce five different times and multiple times with dogs.

So I wanted to know how effective dogs can be in a search.

Before we dive into that, Jason, could you tell us a little bit about yourself?

What got you into training dogs?

Sure. I guess what got me into training dogs would be my mother. She always had dogs, and she's done many different disciplines from obedience to agility to sent work. And I was always a training partner she dragged me out

and make me go lay tracks and then the dog would track me so been brought up around dogs my whole

life and then uh wait a minute back up your your mom would train the dog to track you well she was

using me as a tracking dummy, yes.

I'm sure that, you know, you're not a dummy or anything.

That wasn't it, but that's pretty cool.

Yeah, so that was really my first exposure to tracking type work,

which led into search and rescue type work, which invariably leads into

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