Hey everyone, this is John Amble, and I've got a quick note about what we have upcoming in the MWI podcast before we get into this episode.

A couple of us from MWI had the opportunity recently to spend a couple weeks in Sweden and Finland as part of a team organized and sponsored by the Homeland Defense Institute,

a research organization connected to both the U.S. Air Force Academy and NORAD Northcom.

We're really privileged

to work closely with HGI on a number of fronts, and this research trip was a phenomenal

opportunity for us. Obviously, Sweden and Finland both applied for NATO membership this year,

which has major geostrategic implications. There's also a lot to learn from each country's current

and historical approaches to not just whole of government, but whole of society defense.

We're going to be publishing a series of articles that explore some of the fascinating things we learned during our time in the two countries.

We will also have a few podcast episodes that come out of the trip that we'll be running as sort of a mini-series.

So if you know anybody interested in European security, NATO, Russia, and how it's perceived in the region, the concept

of total defense, information warfare, and a host of related subjects, please spread the word.

Those episodes should be released in the coming few weeks. In the meantime, as we're working on

them, I wanted to share one of my favorite episodes since we began recording the MWI podcast with certainly one of the most interesting guests I've had the opportunity to speak to.

I hope you enjoy it.

When the military started putting things in orbit decades ago, space was a place that was inaccessible to most people.

And so when the military had a satellite up there, big and brighter, whatever, looked to the left, looked to the right, looked up and down,

it didn't find a whole lot of neighbors.

Now when the military looks up, down, left, and right in space,

there are a lot of things it sees.

So to me, weaponization isn't about what technology gets on orbit, it's how it's used.

And so then the really difficult challenge is how do you infer intent when you're observing and monitoring.

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