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Hello and welcome to the latest episode of National Security magazine.

I'm your host David Rothkoff and we are joined episode of National Security magazine.

I'm your host David Rothkoff,

and we are joined today by an old friend of Deep State Radio,

Colin Kahl, who is co-director of the Center

for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University and is the inaugural Stephen

C. Hasey Senior Fellow at the Freeman's Bogley Institute for International Studies there.

And you may recall that Kahn was the deputy assistant to the president

and national security advisor to Vice President Biden and prior to that he was Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense from Middle East at the Pentagon.

So welcome.

Glad you could join us.

Great to be with you, David.

As we follow the news closely.

I've noticed you've moved further and further away from Washington.

And I want to know what it is that you knew that we didn't know.

You know, I mean, it seems very clever but are you planning to

cross the Pacific at any time? I mean you know I ask me again in 2021.

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