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So I want to be sensitive in talking about this.

I have not watched the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,

but someone yesterday was talking about Rachel Zoe,

who's a new addition to the cast,

who I knew in a former life.

I knew her when she was Rachel Rosenzweig,

and she came out to this house in the Hamptons that I was staying at with a friend,

because she was dating this guy briefly. It was actually Madison Beer's dad, so many degrees

of separation. And she was, like, you know, natural and had this, like, flowy, curly hair.

She was from New Jersey. Her name was Rachel Rosenzweig. She was sweet. I remember her being nice. I think she was... I thought she was a little bit younger than I am. I think she might be. And then I remember her... I don't know why. Visions of like Aster Place and Greenwich Village come to mine. And I was... We were all going out to clubs all the time. And we were sort of friendly.

And she was dating this tall, like, musician type guy. I don't remember who he was.

Obviously, sure remember. She was dating him. But they were kind of serious. I just remember

being tall and sort of like earthy, L.A.ish musician type, right? And in my mind, I fused him into Roger, but he wasn't Roger.

And I also knew her and Roger a little bit peripherally.

I think I might have known him separately or Hamptons.

It's all, you know, how like things blend together?

But when her show came out, that was back in the day. It was probably before Twitter or right when Twitter was starting. And we used to blog and the blog only lived on the blog. Like you used to go on your computer to bravo.com to like look at the blogs and read the blogs old school. Like it wasn't like you were on your

phone. No one got their content on your phone. So you would go on and read it only there.

It was contained. So like I remember Jersey coming out and I would snarkily comment on

Teresa and Jersey just like my inside voice outside because you were required to blog back then

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