Welcome to the commentary magazine podcast for today. Thursday March 28, 2019, I'm Noah

Rossmann with me is commentary senior editor Abe Greenwald on the phone in Washington DC is senior writer Christine Rosen

high Christine and as you might have guessed, John put Horace is not with us today. He is in greener pastors enjoying his time away from the

office. We wish him well. But we're going to talk about him in his absence because he was so very self-conscious when he summarized my position on the now

completed Mueller probe that he had had improperly characterized my views on it and he is dead wrong. It was a very nice sympathetic portrayal of my opinion, which was

essentially that we should withhold judgment until the thing is concluded. And now that the thing is concluded, we can actually have a

judgment on it. And I think that everybody around this table was was pretty much right. And my reluctance to come to a conclusion ahead of this probe can be cast

as unflattering, but John did not do that. So I appreciate that. Essentially, you know, we had a very fruitful probe here. And it found pretty

definitively that the Russian government was behind the intrusion into the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign emails that the Russians

manipulated the political process in 2016 manipulated Americans in 2016 actively and it wasn't private entities. It was the it was the

Kremlin. And also that a whole bunch of mouth actors around the president were doing some really bad stuff. And a lot of them got swept up in

indictments. Six of them charged five convicted now. There's still a grand jury that was impealed by Mueller that's that's active, but the probe is

pretty much over and it concluded rather heartedly that the president of the United States did not collude with a foreign power to

steal the election in 2016. I think we should all be happy about that. Similarly, that the probe was conducted fairly and impartially to the

point where the Attorney General suggested that there was no interference with the with the process and that while it did not

exonerate the president in attempting to obstruct justice, no obstruction of justice was at hand. Now we don't know all the details of the

Mueller probe, the suggestion that maybe we should reserve judgment until the thing comes out is again valid, but I don't suspect that Bob Mueller is trying to

pull a fast one here because there is such pressure on the justice department to release this document. I would be shocked if it doesn't come out with a proper

intelligence redacted and the grand jury testimony and stuff like that redacted. I'd be shocked if we don't see this thing and we

probably will and when we do everybody's going to feel pretty silly about it. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because the thing I've been hearing from the

the still committed trump haters and

Rushing gate conspiracy theorists is we still don't know what the what the probe found. We still don't know what what Mueller's findings are. That's like the

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