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Jung Pak at #NatSecGirlSquad

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🗓️ 17 November 2018

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Following the #NatSecGirlSquad’s first conference, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Jung Pak before a live audience at the Bier Baron in Washington, DC. Jung is a senior fellow in the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy program and a long-time North Korea CIA analyst. They talked about North Korean missile development, what reasonable expectations the United States might have when it comes to relations with North Korea, and why we tolerate and sometimes embrace comical representations of the North Korean regime.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast.

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Before a live audience at the beer barren in Washington following the Natset Girl Squad conference

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about which we will hear more in a little while, we can clap for that the National Security Girl Squad.

0:53.9

I had its first conference today and we're going to talk about that momentarily.

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But with me first is my Brookings colleague, Jung Pak, who has some extraordinary expertise on

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matters currently in the news that I thought would be a great subject for a conversation here tonight.

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Jung is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in our foreign policy program and she is a

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longtime North Korea CIA analyst.

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So let's start Jung with that New York time story the other day that suggested that North Korea hadn't

1:35.9

been entirely straightforward about its missile development.

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Thanks Ben and thanks to the Natset Girl Squad for inviting me to join you today.

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This is super exciting for me.

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So on the New York Times article based on the Center for Strategic and International Studies

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study based on commercial imagery of North Korea they found 16 or so or 13 something or their

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missile bases in North Korea. So when I when that story broke I didn't really pay that much

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attention to it because it's North Korea has missile bases that's what they do.

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But I think what happened was that because the the the times and

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