You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

Now, as most listeners of the Paracast, you know, we do record these shows in advance one reason we did that is

that you can't always get the best guest at four o'clock in the morning sundays or usually if you do

get the guest they have been up all night and their mental faculties may not be quite as shall we say

sober as we'd like.

So we make the show available then.

And in fact, most people who watch or listen to radio shows or watch TV don't listen to

live broadcasts anymore.

Even commercial TV, you know, get something like NCIS, most people watch that show on their DVRs a few days later.

So now they have a big thing in TV ratings called Live Plus 3, meaning the number of people saw it live when it was broadcast and three days later on their DVRs.

I don't know how we started this game,

except we're doing this show on June 24th, 2021,

74 years after Kenneth Arnold had his famous or infamous sighting

of nine ellipsoid kind of sort of objects near Mount Rainier

in the state of Washington, traveling at supersonic speeds, and becoming the stuff of legend.

Now, Tim Swartz joins us.

He's been a guest over the years, and he was also a close colleague of the late Tim Beckley.

And we'll remember Tim Beckley, Mr. UFO, a little bit later.

But Tim, did you become interested in UFOs because of hearing about the Kenneth Arnold siding or what?

No, I actually became interested in UFOs because I was forced in O'Mountry School to give an oral

essay in front of the class about UFOs, even though at that time I had no real knowledge

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