Most of us think that earthworms in the soil, whatever they're kind, are good.

And it turns out that that might not be the case.

And I've heard a little bit about this, Brad, these jumping worms or ancient jumping

worms in the past, specifically when I talk about worm composting or adding worms directly

to soil, you know, you get some comments, hey, make sure it's not the jumping worm or

these are all over the place.

And I did a little bit of digging way back when that was mentioned to me and then it was

interesting to see that this is what we're talking about today because it sounds like

it's quite a problem in some areas and it sounds like it might be a problem in your

area, right?

Yeah, I'm really glad that we can talk about this today, Kevin, because jumping worms

is, they're just creative, seeing them, myself first hand, I luckily don't have them at

my house, but they are spreading quite prolifically through the government west.

They've been, they were first found in Wisconsin, at the Wisconsin Arboretum, and nobody

really knows how they were, how they got there, but it was in a natural area.

And they had taken over what jumping worms do and what makes these, the suffocation

jumping worms so difficult and so bad for our gardens and landscapes and our native

areas is that they, unlike our regular earthworms that are slightly problematic on their own,

but the unlike regular earthworms, these just eat in the top, couple inches of the soil,

so they remove all of the leaf litter, they remove the top, they just ruin the soil that

top, couple inches of soil, and so they reduce it to what looks like coffee grounds, it

looks like little pebble kinds of things with those worm casting, and it removes, it eliminates

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