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Hello everyone, it's Tom Holland here and I have teamed up with the Great Mary Beard to bring you four episodes on what we together have decided are the four most iconic themes in ancient history. And today we're looking at Julia Caesar. Here's a short

extract of that episode. Hello everybody and welcome to the third of our special members

bonus interviews with the great Mary Beard, National Treasure, World's Most Famous

Classicist and presenter for her own podcast, Instant Classics.

And Mary, today, we move from Greece to Rome and we move to one particular figure.

Clearly the most famous Roman of them all.

And it's actually, people will be watching this if they're getting it straight away in the middle of October. So hello, middle of

October. But we're actually recording this on a day when on the rest of history, we have

released an episode about the Eastern Front in the early months of 1914. And it's Russia Russia led by a czar against Germany led by a

Kaiser. And it's amazing that just over a century ago, Europe was full of people who were named

after Julius Caesar, who is the subject of today. Absolutely. I mean, Caesar has kind of branded

his name onto modern politics. And we still do that in the UK. We have a, you know, a drug czar.

Yes.

So, you know, Caesar would be a bit surprised, I think, to discover the kind of slight domestication of Zah.

Well, it would be brilliant if, you know, there was, the government held an inquiry into

Latin in schools and they had a Caesar, a Caesar czar.

Maybe one day it will happen.

I mean, Caesar is very different from what we looked at Alexander the Great last time. And Caesar and Alexander

the Great have often been compared. By Plutarch, the great biographer. Pluto, when he's doing his

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