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Hi, and welcome to the Longview. I'm Jeff Patak, Chief Ratings Officer for Morning Star Research Services.

And I'm Christine Ben's, Director of Personal Finance and Retirement Planning for Morning Star.

Our guests on the podcast today are Kirsten and Julian Saunders. Together they blog about finance

and life at the website, rich and regular.com. And they're also the authors of a new book called Cashing Out,

Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away. In addition, they co-hosts the Rich and Regular podcast.

After discovering the financial independence retire early movement in 2012, they proceeded

to pay off $200,000 in debt and walked away from their corporate jobs before turning 40.

Kirsten and Julian, welcome to the Longview.

Thank you so much for having us.

Oh, it's our pleasure. Thank you so much for joining.

It sounds like, Julian, you discovered the financial independence, retire early or fire movement first. Can you talk about that

what you were doing for your career at the time fire came on your radar and what appealed to you

about it? Yeah. So I believe my first introduction to the movement was during my grad school day.

So this may have been like the late 2000s.

And it was really just in between those moments when I was studying and not wanting to

study.

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