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Hello and welcome to another special bonus episode of the new abnormal. We thank you so much

for being here. Today we have an amazing episode with Miami Harolds Julie Kay Brown, who just

come out with a new book that chronicles a lot of the reporting she's done and tells the

story of Jeffrey Epstein. It's called Perversion of Justice and we're going to get into what's

inside the book with her today.

Welcome to the new abnormal Julie Kay Brown. Thanks for having me. Very exciting. I'm such a fan

of yours. I want to talk to you because you are the person who broke this story and if it was not

for you, Jeffrey Epstein would still be chatting around his private jet. Who is the biggest villain

in this story besides Jeffrey Epstein? Oh man, you really put me on a spot. Sorry. You can have multiple.

There's a lot of villains. Yeah. There's a lot of different villains in this story. Many of the

victims, for example, would say that it is a cost. Maybe. No, Gaelin Maxwell really because a lot

of the victims that I'm saying the victims would say this because she really started this whole

idea of going out and recruiting young girls for Epstein according to the allegations against her.

She used her motherly, and this is what they told me and what they have said to authorities,

if she was a nurturing kind of warm woman. So they felt they could trust her. And they got kind of

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