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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Julian Barbour: The Physicist Who Says Time Does Not Exist

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6606 Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2024

⏱️ 115 minutes

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Summary

Curt Jaimungal sits down with Julian Barbour to examine the claim that time is not fundamental but emerges from change. They discuss shape dynamics, the universe’s increasing order, and how Barbour’s ideas challenge traditional entropy and cosmology.- 00:00 - Introduction- 02:12 - Working Outside of Academia- 03:53 - Space, Time, Dimension- 10:40 - Mach's Principle- 21:33 - Mach Confused Einstein- 24:22 - Two Particle Universe- 31:46 - Carlo Rovelli- 35:02 - Julian's Ontology- 43:37 - Julian's Theory 'Shape Statistics'- 51:11 - Leibniz's Philosophical Writings- 56:14 - Expansion of the Universe (Scale Invariance)- 01:05:02 - Cosmological Principle- 01:15:34 - Thermodynamics- 01:17:15 - Entropy and Complexity- 01:30:40 - Wave Function / Double Slit Experiment- 01:39:21 - God- 01:44:48 - The Role of Instruments- 01:47:44 - Etymology of Pattern and Matter- 01:51:25 - Join My Substack!SPONSORS:- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOERESOURCES:- Support TOE on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!)- Enjoy TOE on Spotify! https://tinyurl.com/SpotifyTOE- Become a YouTube Member Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join- Join TOE's Newsletter 'TOEmail' at https://www.curtjaimungal.org- The Janus Point (Julian Barbour's book): https://www.amazon.com/Janus-Point-New-Theory-Time/dp/0465095461- 'Relational Concepts of Space and Time' (Julian Barbour's 1982 paper): https://www.jstor.org/stable/687224- 'The Theory of Gravitation' (Paul Dirac's 1958 paper): https://www.jstor.org/stable/100497- Carlo Rovelli on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF4SAketEHY- 'On the Nature of Things' (book): https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674992009- Leibniz: Philosophical Writings (book): https://www.amazon.com/Leibniz-Philosophical-Writings-Everymans-University/dp/0460119052- Elementary Principles of Statistical Mechanics (book): https://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Principles-Statistical-Mechanics-Physics/dp/0486789950- The interpretations of quantum mechanics in 5 minutes (article): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-interpretations-of-quantum-mechanics- Sean Carroll on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AoRxtYZrZo- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We are challenging the belief which is now held for 170 years, that the only way to explain our sense of the direction of time, the

0:39.8

arrow of time, is that entropy is increasing, that disorder is increasing. But we're finding

0:46.4

strong evidence in Newton's theory that it's the exact opposite. Very, very few people working

0:52.0

in cosmology know about this.

1:00.0

For over 50 years, working from a farmhouse north of Oxford,

1:06.2

Julian Barber has been quietly developing a revolutionary theory that upends conventional physics.

1:09.3

Time itself may be an illusion.

1:21.8

While the academy raced down the path of quantum gravity and string theory, this physicist, who funded his research by translating Russian scientific journals, was busy tinkering with another model of the universe. What if what we call time is nothing more than the way that we interpret changing shapes.

1:28.5

Time is just the shape of the universe.

1:31.5

It's utterly impossible to measure the changes of things by time.

1:35.7

Quite the contrary, time is an abstraction that we deduce from change.

1:41.6

His theory, shape dynamics, suggests that the universe isn't evolving through time at all.

1:48.0

Instead, what we perceive of as the flow of time is the difference between static configurations

1:54.2

of the cosmos, like frames in a film strip.

1:57.9

Even more surprising, his mathematical models predict that rather than descending

2:02.8

into chaos, as our mainstream physics suggests, the universe is actually becoming more

2:07.9

ordered and complex, directly challenging the sacred second law of thermodynamics that even

2:13.9

Einstein himself believed would never be overthrown. The exact opposite of the second law of thermodynamics,

2:22.2

which says that the universe goes from being ordered to being uniform and uninteresting,

2:27.9

and we've got exactly the opposite behavior coming out of Newton.

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