Hey, everybody. I'm very privileged today to have a wonderful guest, John Shipman,

whose son is Julian Assange, who's now facing 175 years in U.S. prisons. He's currently

detained at British maximum security prison awaiting extradition to the United States.

And John has done this extraordinary documentary called Ithaca, a reference, I suppose,

to Ulysses trip, which took him 20 years after the battle of Troy to do his home in Ithaca.

And it's been an incredible saga. The documentary is this really beautiful story

of a father who is fighting all the great forces of institutional military forces

and judicial forces of the planet to free his son, along with Stella Morris, who is

Julian's, is Stella now married to Julian or?

Yes, they're married in the jail.

Yeah, so I think at the time a lot of his filming took place, she was fiancee,

but it's a beautiful story. And it's a story of our times because it's really a story about

the United States and the world, the suppression of free expression. Here is a journalist

who has been in prison because he had political views and he had a hostility towards secrecy.

And he exposed things that the United States government did not want him to expose.

And that had been very, very valuable for the rest of us to be able to understand the power

government and the abuse and misuse of those powers, things that every American should know about.

And that in my view, we should be grateful to Julian Assange for exposing.

But to sacrifice that personal sacrifice he made by doing so has been extreme.

And let me start out by this. I just asking about his health.

Well, you know, after sort of 13 years confined to a room and now four years confined to a

jail cell, it's not the best. But you know, and also it's very hard to keep healthy in jail.

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