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FranklinCovey On Leadership

Julia Dhar: Why Change Fails—and How Leaders Fix It

FranklinCovey On Leadership

FranklinCovey

Business, Management

4.6215 Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Most change efforts fail not because people resist change, but because leaders misunderstand how change actually works. Julia Dhar, behavioral scientist and BCG managing director, explains why 75% of transformations fall short—and what leaders can do differently. She introduces the concept of “change distance,” the gap between executive optimism and employee reality, and outlines practical ways to close it. Dhar challenges leaders to move beyond false alignment to real agreement, use storytelling that is honest and specific, and design change with real human behavior in mind. She also highlights the importance of incentives, emotional awareness, and “take-up”—making change easier to adopt in daily work. The result is a more grounded, human-centered approach to transformation. Listen to learn how to turn strategy into sustained behavior change. FranklinCovey’s world-class learning solutions—delivered Live-Online, On Demand, or Live In-Person—are designed to build exceptional leadership skills and enrich your culture at every level of your organization. To learn more, email us at info@franklincovey.com, visit franklincovey.com, or call us at: 1-888-868-1776

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0:00.0

human beings love stories. One of the ways the brain is really attracted to stories is because it

0:05.6

creates a certain set of expectations for us. We start to hear a story, we begin to plan for where

0:11.4

it is going. And when our expectations are violated on where the story is going, that's confusing

0:17.2

and disruptive for us as well. So in your example of saying we're going to fulfill our

0:22.4

destiny by cutting 2% of costs in this part of the business, people's expectations have been

0:29.9

violated. Whereas if we had started from the place of saying we're continuing to build our

0:33.9

fitness and one of the activities associated with that is to look for opportunities

0:38.7

to reduce our costs to be more efficient, more productive than what we do, that actually

0:43.9

makes much more sense to me. The consequence for someone who is a storyteller, and I hope

0:50.2

many of our listeners are embracing the idea now that one of the roles of leader is as

0:54.9

storyteller. The best thing that you can do is to ask yourself, is this story honest and specific?

1:07.3

Welcome to Franklin Covey's On Leadership. I'm your host, Jennifer Colosimo.

1:13.8

On Leadership provides insight to our listeners through discussions with senior leaders,

1:19.0

practitioners, thought leaders, all focused on the human side of strategy and execution.

1:26.3

Most senior leaders I talk to share a common visceral frustration.

1:31.7

They have the right data, a brilliant strategy, and a clear vision for the future, yet the

1:37.7

organization still feels stuck. It leads to a defining question in modern leadership. If we know what needs to change,

1:46.7

why is it so difficult for change to actually occur? Joining us is Julia Dar, a Harvard-trained

1:55.2

behavioral scientist and managing director at BCG. As the founder of BCG's Behavioral Science Lab,

2:03.1

Julia has spent over a decade advising global leadership teams

2:07.4

on how to apply the mechanics of human behavior

2:11.0

to large-scale change.

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