Julia Dhar: Why Change Fails—and How Leaders Fix It
FranklinCovey On Leadership
FranklinCovey
4.6 • 215 Ratings
🗓️ 5 May 2026
⏱️ 39 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | human beings love stories. One of the ways the brain is really attracted to stories is because it |
| 0:05.6 | creates a certain set of expectations for us. We start to hear a story, we begin to plan for where |
| 0:11.4 | it is going. And when our expectations are violated on where the story is going, that's confusing |
| 0:17.2 | and disruptive for us as well. So in your example of saying we're going to fulfill our |
| 0:22.4 | destiny by cutting 2% of costs in this part of the business, people's expectations have been |
| 0:29.9 | violated. Whereas if we had started from the place of saying we're continuing to build our |
| 0:33.9 | fitness and one of the activities associated with that is to look for opportunities |
| 0:38.7 | to reduce our costs to be more efficient, more productive than what we do, that actually |
| 0:43.9 | makes much more sense to me. The consequence for someone who is a storyteller, and I hope |
| 0:50.2 | many of our listeners are embracing the idea now that one of the roles of leader is as |
| 0:54.9 | storyteller. The best thing that you can do is to ask yourself, is this story honest and specific? |
| 1:07.3 | Welcome to Franklin Covey's On Leadership. I'm your host, Jennifer Colosimo. |
| 1:13.8 | On Leadership provides insight to our listeners through discussions with senior leaders, |
| 1:19.0 | practitioners, thought leaders, all focused on the human side of strategy and execution. |
| 1:26.3 | Most senior leaders I talk to share a common visceral frustration. |
| 1:31.7 | They have the right data, a brilliant strategy, and a clear vision for the future, yet the |
| 1:37.7 | organization still feels stuck. It leads to a defining question in modern leadership. If we know what needs to change, |
| 1:46.7 | why is it so difficult for change to actually occur? Joining us is Julia Dar, a Harvard-trained |
| 1:55.2 | behavioral scientist and managing director at BCG. As the founder of BCG's Behavioral Science Lab, |
| 2:03.1 | Julia has spent over a decade advising global leadership teams |
| 2:07.4 | on how to apply the mechanics of human behavior |
| 2:11.0 | to large-scale change. |
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