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The Intercept Briefing

Judith Butler Will Not Co-Sign Israel’s Alibi for Genocide

The Intercept Briefing

The Intercept

Politics, Unknown, Daily News, History, News

4.86.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2024

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Last month, the famed American philosopher and gender studies scholar Judith Butler was thrust into the center of a controversy after remarks Butler made about the October 7 attacks in Israel. A longtime critic of Zionism and Israel’s war against the Palestinians, Butler had condemned the attacks in the immediate aftermath. But at a March roundtable in France, Butler offered a historical context for the Hamas-led operations and stated that the attacks constituted armed resistance. The blowback was swift, and Butler was criticized in media outlets across Europe and in Israel. This week on Intercepted, Butler discusses the controversy and their position on Hamas, Israel, and crackdowns on student protests.

Butler is currently a Distinguished Professor at UC Berkeley’s Graduate School. They are the author of several books, including “The Force of Nonviolence: An Ethico-Political Bind,” “Parting Ways: Jewishness and the Critique of Zionism,” and most recently, “Who's Afraid of Gender?


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0:00.0

The This is intercepted. Welcome to Intercepted, I'm Jeremy Skahill.

0:35.0

And I'm Bertaza-Hossain.

0:37.0

Well, Maiz, there's a lot to talk about this week.

0:40.0

In a few minutes, we're going to be talking with the great Judith Butler but before we we get to that

0:46.1

interview I want to ask you your sense of where things are right now with the Netnahu

0:50.9

government appearing to be ready for a full-scale invasion of Rafa.

0:56.6

Of course, Rafa has been attacked repeatedly, but this presumably would be a much more intense full scale ground operation even as there's

1:06.3

reports that the Biden administration is trying to push for some form of a deal where

1:11.5

Hamas would release 33 of the Israelis that they're holding in return for some

1:16.8

as of now undefined pause in the Israeli attacks, but your thoughts on this moment, the political situation, and the threats coming out of

1:25.2

Tel Aviv.

1:26.2

What's been a very eventful few days, we had the reports suggesting that a peace deal could

1:30.4

be imminent, in fact, that would end of conflict for a predetermined period of time.

1:36.2

But on Tuesday, Netanyahu indicated that whether there is a deal for hostages or not, the war

1:41.8

will continue and the attack on Raffa will continue.

1:44.1

And he said explicitly that we're going to enter Raffa with or without a deal.

1:48.3

So what indicates to me, and most observers I would say too, is that this war was not really about the hostages and

1:53.7

it's not currently about the hostages either because Netanyahu's had many

1:57.1

opportunities to free the hostages in a peace agreement for a ceasefire or a

2:02.0

permanent peace agreement and reportedly even from the first days of the war

2:05.3

came out recently that Hamas apparently had offered full release of hostages in exchange

2:10.1

for the IDF not coming to Gaza on the ground.

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