Hello, my name is David Ronserman and this is Talking Politics.

Today, two conversations with the great feminist theorist and writer Judith Butler.

One recorded nearly four years ago, just a week after Donald Trump was elected president

of the United States.

The other one recorded this week, in which we think about the possibility that his presidency

is approaching its end.

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We've been looking back over the Talking Politics archive and picking out one or two

of the most memorable episodes, certainly the most memorable for us.

And this is one, the original recording we made with Judith Butler just after Trump's

victory.

We asked Judith if she would be willing to talk now about some of the things that she

raised back then and to our great pleasure.

She said yes.

So the first conversation is one that was recorded in Cambridge, face to face, when that

was still possible, how I miss it.

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