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Judge Orders Trump’s Name Removed From the Kennedy Center

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Ben Parker and Sonny Bunch give their takes on the news that a federal judge's ruled that Trump's name must be removed from Kennedy Center. They examine the legal battle, the mass exodus of performers, the uncertain future of upcoming seasons, and how Trump's efforts to remake the Kennedy Center may have backfired.

Read more from Sonny's piece: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-day-and-a-nation-at-the-kennedy-center

Watch Sonny's conversation with Josef Palermo's on the Kennedy Center: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rEDNCdqYzg

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Ben Parker from The Bullwork, joined by Culture Editor Sunday Bunch, because we're going

0:03.6

to talk again about the Kennedy Center, which Trump decided to rename after himself,

0:08.4

and then take over, and then shut down.

0:10.3

And it has just been unshut down by a federal judge who says in a very long opinion that

0:18.0

just dropped on this Friday afternoon, you can't do that.

0:20.7

You can't just shut it down. You can't just take it over. You can't just slap your name on it because guess what? There are laws. Sonny, it's good news, right? Good news. We're like good news. Yeah. It's like the old schoolhouse rock video with the little sad little bill and he's like, how do I become a law? And in today's America, Donald Trump just says something and it happens. And then a court says, no, you can't do that. And then it doesn't happen. It's amazing, the system that we have. This ruling covers several different things that Donald Trump was basically, Donald Trump, let's be honest, is doing this. There's a board. There's technically a board. There's there are people in charge who aren't

0:57.4

Donald Trump, and he's the one who's kind of forcing all this through. The big one, and I think

1:02.2

this is actually the most important of them. I set aside the like shutting down the Kennedy Center

1:07.4

to renovate it because there's some debate over how many renovations it needs and you know, blah, blah, blah. And who has the authority to do it even? You know, theoretically, the board could shut it down for two years to do the renovations. But the judge says the board actually has to be consulted about this. You can't just rush it through. There has to be like actual And you can't just kick off members of the board because you don't like them. Like the people

1:30.1

on the board are on the board. You can't just say they're not on the board because. Right. Right. And there, yeah, there were some debate over while these are, you know, not really members of the board. They're kind of ex-Nylo, whatever the legal term is.

1:42.1

I'm not a lawyer.

1:43.0

I'm not a, I didn't go to, I didn't go to law school to talk about movies.

1:47.5

I went about movies.

1:47.5

I went to movie school to talk about movies. The real, I think, important thing here is that the judge ordered one very specific thing to be done, and that is for Donald Trump's name to stop being used as the name of the Kennedy Center. If you go to the Kennedy Center now,

2:01.4

there is in slightly off font

2:03.7

and slightly off kerning,

2:05.8

a kerning,

2:06.9

which is for those who aren't in the newspaper industry.

2:09.9

Sonny,

2:10.1

I hate to tell you,

2:10.6

no one is in the newspaper industry anymore.

2:12.8

Well, okay,

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