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Thank you. Thank you. I kind of blew that. How'd you blow it? We can talk about that. You guys are not doing it anymore? I stepped back away when I started refereeing again. God damn it. You got to go back to doing it. You guys are great. You guys are a great combination. I think I might.

What we did is we started doing McCarthy Mondays. Because when he went back to refereeing, he's not a lot of talk about promotions, not a lot to talk about fighters and what's wrong. And the things that possibly can make some changes in. So we just started McCarthy Monday where we just talk about like the Joe Schilling situation. That's something could talk about right so I just I created a show for him to just only do on Mondays He created nice well it's his I was just trying to find ways to keep him involved

I love that you're refereeing again we need great referees but I wish you were out there doing both It doesn't make sense to me that you can't do both like it's not like you're refereeing again. We need great referees, but I wish you were out there doing both.

It doesn't make sense to me that you can't do both.

It's not like you're not going to be a great referee while also still being able to comment

objectively about promotions.

It's important.

It is important.

Transparency, where's ever the problem with that?

Exactly.

But you get these people that, oh, oh no because you might say something that is

Gonna create a problem and it's like it's not a problem if it's a truth that's ridiculous

I mean if that was the case why how come I can do it as a commentator

How come all these guys can do it because you're the best

Yeah, but I mean

Everybody should be able to have a voice, especially referees. You should, like, if something happens and you're a referee, and you could say, here's my perspective, this is why I did what I did. And you have it on a podcast on a regular basis. That's a benefit to everybody. So that is what I'm trying to create with him. I believe you're right.

But what you run into is you run into some issues where the referee says too much and then people come back at them and then the commissions have to answer for it. And the fight and then the fighters dig on them and then. Good. People are talking. Yeah. That's how shit gets solved. That's how you don't have like Two one hand down does not in a downed opponent anymore. Why? Because we fucking complain forever 12 to six elbows. They're legit again except in New Jersey

You see the problem? Yeah

The goddamn problem. Well we were in New Jersey. I was like you gotta be kidding me

How the fuck do you guys not have 12 to 6 elbows? You can't make it any more complicated for the referees and the fighters. It's so dumb. It's the dumbest fucking thing. And it's so unfair to the fighters themselves because when we, when, like I was part, I wrote those things out and they were passed by the ABC, but we gave six months, six months, because you got to give

the fighters time to train to make sure that they get it right, okay, and so it's put it in,

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