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Hi, everyone. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

The media industry is in a state of flux, and personally, I think it's a good thing.

I've been talking to a lot of media entrepreneurs recently about how they've been changing things up,

one Beehive and Substack and YouTube show at a time.

And that includes my guest today, Joy Reid. You might know Joy for

MSNBC show The Readout. When the show debuted in 2020, Reed became the first black woman in the

network's history to anchor a primetime show. During its nearly five-year run, Reed was known for

interviews and biting commentary of news and politics, including against President Trump.

Then this past February is part of a larger shake-up at the network. Reed was unceremoniously fired, and the show was canceled. Both she and her colleagues, including fellow anchor Rachel Maddow, or kind of dumbfounded. I was too. I just didn't know why they picked her. I know they had troubles at this network. I know they have braiding's issues. But it seemed to me she was an

unusual choice to make. I have a list I would have gone to first. But I was sort of surprised by it because

she certainly had a following there in a way that sort of meets the moment of media. And Joy herself

has turned lemons into lemonade and has launched her own media business in the aftermath. She's got a

substack called

Joy's House and a YouTube channel, the Joy Reid Show, where she interviews guests and talks

politics in much the same way she was doing in MSNBC, or MS now, as it's called, except with a little

more, I guess, Joy. I'm interested in hearing about how to the jump to independence is going for,

getting her take on the broader changes happening in the cable news business

and how the Democratic Party could or should be shifting to.

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