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Choice Words with Samantha Bee

Joy or Happiness? (with Kate Bowler)

Choice Words with Samantha Bee

Lemonada Media

Comedy

4.31.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Professor, author, and podcast host Kate Bowler joins Sam to talk about her new book Joyful Anyway, and what the difference between joy and happiness really is. They talk about why happiness is circumstantial but joy is big and bright and hits your reward system. They talk about the Prosperity Gospel, Christian amusement parks, and what on earth the Pope must be feeling right now. They talk about taking wisdom from Taylor Swift, an aversion to gardening, and the need to sometimes take a walk around the block for a quick cry. Keep up with Samantha Bee @realsambee on Instagram and X. And stay up to date with us @LemonadaMedia on X, Facebook, and Instagram. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:11.4

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0:22.8

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0:31.7

pulled together, just like complete. I was, I will say that I was a little bit torn between a more, kind of like a more

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1:12.7

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1:18.2

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1:28.3

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1:49.0

Hi, it's Julia Louis Dreyfus here, and I can't wait for you to hear our new episode

1:54.5

of Wiser Than Me with Cindy Lauper on Amazon Music.

1:58.6

Cindy may be a girl who just wants to have fun,

2:01.4

but for 40 years she has brought playfulness

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