Hello, welcome along to writers' routine. This week we're chatting to Joy Ellis. She has sold

millions of books, millions and millions. And the story of how she finally got published is pretty incredible. Goes from

living in her car, managing a bookshop, signing for a publisher that didn't quite work out,

and then being tracked down by her eventual publisher through a newspaper. She takes us through

the whole thing. It's a very gripping story in itself. Also, you can hear about her brand new gripping story. It's a crime thriller, a new Jackman and Evans novel. It's called The Patient Man. And we talk about why, when it looked like her books would never make the shelves, why she carried on.

It's a bit addictive writing. Well, it's very addictive. And I had come to

realize that it was what I really wanted to do. I'm not a person to give up easily. I honestly

believed that if I just could hold on long enough, it would work.

I admit, I came very, very close just before Jasper's phone call to say, right, you know, it's not going to work.

But that was just the lowest it ever.

And I think that phone call probably came about the day after I felt that way.

There is more on the way with Joy Ellis in this week's Writers' Routine.

Yes, welcome along. My name's Dan. This is Writers Routine, where we take a look through an author's working day, how they get an idea from their head onto the paper and how they plan everything else to get it done. I hope you're enjoying the new bite-size episodes, by the way. The latest one is with the Carnegie Medal winner Frank Cotterill Boyce. He's published a whole heap of kids books, most famous probably millions from the early Norseys, which became a film with Danny Boyle. He then worked with Danny on the London 2012 Olympic ceremony, with the opening ceremony to the Olympics. And it's a really good dive through the archives on that one. Hopefully

it serves up a little bit of inspiration for when you're next flagging. This one, this one today,

this week is a brand new chat for you with Joy Ellis, a crime writer. She was a struggling author

and then she published independently. And this year, she was up for crime thriller book of the

year at the Nibbies. It's an incredible inspirational tale. She sold over two million books

in just five years. She's an Amazon bestseller. She's published over 20 books across different

characters. Her new one is a Jackman and Evan's story. It's called The Patient Man. It's all about

the nemesis. Sounding very serious. The nemesis, the serial killer, Alistair Ashcroft, who comes back

for unfinished business. Now, we talk about why she felt it was the right time to bring a character

back. Also, with so many different series of stories,

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