Questions around my work in general focus more on the content and not on the form and I do see myself as a writer first and foremost

That's the thing that I was doing before activism that was the thing I was doing before feminism before anti-racism and part of the reason my work is what it is is because I have a real passion for writing.

You know I take a lot of pride in being able to turn out a good sentence.

You are listening to made of human also known as the mow part, a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen, who is a Danish comedian.

Mow!

Trying to find out how to do life

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but it turns out nobody knows mopah mopah This episode is me chatting to Rennie Edelage, which I think is so surreal and great and wonderful.

Rennie Ederlages.

And I can't, oh, is, I don't know, is I can more more like is that more fashion I don't know what's the word

world famous author you know I powerhouse maverick. I don't know what the... How do you even describe

Rennie Edelage? If you don't know, she's the author behind why I'm no longer talking to white people about race,

which is a book that if you haven't read yet you should definitely should. We all should.

All the time. I have it on a loop. It's so good. She's so good. And I'm so so happy we finally did this. I was,

so two years ago when I was in Edinburgh during the French during my show Dead Baby Frog I got a message

it must have been on Twitter from Reneiro Lodge and I was I had to check three times

be like is this really is it really her asking to come and see my show and I was so

no I mean I had stage fright that entire month so I was always nervous but it was like

an extra layer of nerves because oh my God Rainierto Ludge and she afterwards

asked me to come to her or not asked me but invited me to her book talk at the Edinburgh book festival which I'm going to this year with my book, very exciting.

And I mean, because it was Edinburgh, because I was suffering so much from stage fright, I just

never went.

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