Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. I don't know about you, but the kind of

advice I got from my dad when I first started working was along the lines of like, put your head down,

just do the work, and don't make too much noise. And maybe that worked for him, but I'm not sure

it's super applicable today, especially if you are black or disabled or a woman.

Journalist Alan Henry just wrote this book called Seen, Heard and Paid,

The New Work Rules for the Marginalized, which is about how to get ahead in the workplace

and not get stuck, you know, being the person who's always making sure the conference room

gets tidied up after a meeting.

He talked to Anna Sale, who is guest hosting the NPR podcast. It's been a minute. And we just wanted to

play for you this excerpt of their conversation. In the U.S., national security news can feel

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I'm Anna Sale. And I know it's summer, but we're going to talk about work for a little bit.

Specifically, the tricky questions that can arise when you're trying to move up at work,

some of which are on the minds of interns here at NPR.

How to gauge where you stand with your immediate supervisors or managers?

How would you go about trying to get your foot in the door?

How do you advocate for yourself, crossing that line between being grateful that you're in the room,

but also advocating for yourself to have more and to exceed.

What would be the best way to get my work done and be seen by the people on my team?

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