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Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

Journal Review in Breast Surgery: SOUND and INSEMA Trials - Should Sentinel Lymph Node Biopsy Be Omitted in Select Breast Cancer Patients?

Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

Education, Science, Health & Fitness, Medicine

4.8 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2026

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Picture this: a patient with early-stage breast cancer is sitting in front of you in the clinic. You are about to offer your expert management plan. The age-old question arises—should you really perform a sentinel lymph node biopsy, or could omission actually help this patient more? Today, we're tackling one of the hottest debates in modern breast cancer care.

Should we rethink sentinel lymph node biopsy for select patients, and can skipping it actually improve quality of life without sacrificing cancer control? The stakes couldn’t be higher—balancing accurate cancer staging and minimizing harm is the name of the game. Together, we’re breaking down the latest evidence from the SOUND and INSEMA trials. What do these landmark studies mean for your patients, your practice, and the future of axillary management? Ready for a journal review that might just change your next consult? 

Hosts:
- Rashmi Kumar, MD, PhD
Resident, University of Michigan General Surgery Residency Program
Twitter/X: @RashmiJKumar
- Melissa Pilewskie, MD
Attending Breast Surgical Oncologist, Co-Director of the Weiser Family Center for Breast Cancer, Michigan Medicine
 Twitter/X: @MPilewskie
- Stephanie Downs-Canner, MD
Attending Breast Surgical Oncologist & Physician-Scientist, Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, Program Director of the Breast Surgical Oncology Fellowship Training Program
 Twitter/X: @SDownsCanner

Learning Objectives:
- Understand when and for whom it is safe and beneficial to omit sentinel lymph node biopsy (SLNB) in early-stage breast cancer patients.
- Identify the risks associated with foregoing SLNB, including loss of nodal staging, and analyze how this impacts treatment selection and prognosis.
- Review key findings from the SOUND and INSEMA trials and their influence on axillary management.
- Discuss implications for adjuvant therapy, genomic profiling, and multidisciplinary clinical practice.
- Recognize which patient populations should still receive SLNB, and the importance of individualized, multidisciplinary decision-making.

References:
- Gentilini OD, Botteri E, Sangalli C, et al. Sentinel Lymph Node Biopsy vs No Axillary Surgery in Patients With Small Breast Cancer and Negative Results on Ultrasonography of Axillary Lymph Nodes: The SOUND Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Oncol. 2023;9(11):1557–1564. doi:10.1001/jamaoncol.2023.3759 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37733364/
- Reimer T, Stachs A, Veselinovic K, et al. Axillary surgery in breast cancer – primary results of the INSEMA trial. N Eng J Med. 2024. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2412063.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39665649/
- Sparano JA, Gray RJ, Makower DF, Albain KS, Saphner TJ, Badve SS, Wagner LI, Kaklamani VG, Keane MM, Gomez HL, Reddy PS, Goggins TF, Mayer IA, Toppmeyer DL, Brufsky AM, Goetz MP, Berenberg JL, Mahalcioiu C, Desbiens C, Hayes DF, Dees EC, Geyer CE Jr, Olson JA Jr, Wood WC, Lively T, Paik S, Ellis MJ, Abrams J, Sledge GW Jr. Clinical Outcomes in Early Breast Cancer With a High 21-Gene Recurrence Score of 26 to 100 Assigned to Adjuvant Chemotherapy Plus Endocrine Therapy: A Secondary Analysis of the TAILORx Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Oncol. 2020 Mar 1;6(3):367-374. doi: 10.1001/jamaoncol.2019.4794. PMID: 31566680; PMCID: PMC6777230. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31566680/
- Slamon DJ, Fasching PA, Hurvitz S, Chia S, Crown J, MartĂ­n M, Barrios CH, Bardia A, Im SA, Yardley DA, Untch M, Huang CS, Stroyakovskiy D, Xu B, Moroose RL, Loi S, Visco F, Bee-Munteanu V, Afenjar K, Fresco R, Taran T, Chakravartty A, Zarate JP, Lteif A, Hortobagyi GN. Rationale and trial design of NATALEE: a Phase III trial of adjuvant ribociclib + endocrine therapy versus endocrine therapy alone in patients with HR+/HER2- early breast cancer. Ther Adv Med Oncol. 2023 May 29;15:17588359231178125. doi: 10.1177/17588359231178125. Erratum in: Ther Adv Med Oncol. 2023 Sep 29;15:17588359231201818. doi: 10.1177/17588359231201818. PMID: 37275963; PMCID: PMC10233570. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37275963/

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0:00.0

Behind the Night, the Surgery Podcast, relevant and engaging content designed to help you dominate the day.

0:26.4

Welcome to the latest episode of our breast surgery podcast series on Behind the Knife.

0:28.2

We have the same team as last time.

0:30.4

I'm your host for the episode, Rashmi Kumar.

0:33.3

I'm a general surgery resident at the University of Michigan.

0:37.6

Today, we're tackling a question that lies at the heart of modern breast cancer care.

0:42.9

Should sentinel lymph node biopsy be emitted and select patients with early breast cancer?

0:47.8

It's a challenging but timely question, balancing the need for accurate staging information with the goals of minimizing patient harm and optimizing quality of life.

0:52.5

We're joined again by Dr. Polusewski and Dr. Downscanner,

0:55.4

both renowned experts in breast surgical oncology. Dr. Pelluski is the co-director of the

1:00.1

Wiser Family Center for Breast Cancer at the University of Michigan. Dr. Downscanner joins us

1:05.2

from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, where she is the fellowship program director for

1:09.4

breast surgical oncology. Today, we're doing a

1:12.5

journal review of trials studying omission of sentinel lymph node biopsy in select patients. We'll cover

1:18.6

the groundbreaking sound and insema trials. We'll explore what these studies mean for clinical practice,

1:24.2

patient counseling, and the future of axillary management. But let's start with the

1:28.4

foundation and some historical context. If we look back, breast cancer surgery historically was very

1:34.5

aggressive, not just in removal of the breasts, but also the axillary lymph nodes through

1:39.2

radical mastectomy and routine axillary lymph node dissection, or AL&D. The rationale at the time was that AL&D

1:46.9

would help control disease, provide accurate staging, and reduce recurrence. But the morbidity was

1:53.2

substantial. Patients develop chronic lymphodema, nerve injury, and real functional limitations.

1:59.3

Dr. Downscanner, can you walk us through a brief overview

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