Joss Stone, Maya Forstater

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.2 • 2.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

With worldwide sales in excess of 15 million albums, the Grammy award-winning singer-songwriter Joss Stone is without question among the most iconic soul singers of the modern era. She rose to fame at the age of 13 by winning a BBC talent competition and more recently won The Masked Singer. Joss has now reunited with legend Dave Stewart for her new album Never Forget My Love. In an exclusive interview in the week that her employment tribunal case continues, Maya Forstater speaks to Emma about losing her role at a company in 2019, after she had posted tweets and had conversations about sex and gender. She took her case to an employment tribunal on the basis that, amongst other claims, she had been discriminated against because of her belief – that biological sex is real, important, immutable and cannot be conflated with gender identity. Maya lost the preliminary hearing, on the basis that her beliefs were not protected under the Equality Act 2010, but she appealed and in June 2021 that decision was overturned. The ruling meant that gender critical beliefs are a protected philosophical belief under the Equality Act 2010. This week the next part of her employment tribunal starts, and it will decide whether her employer discriminated against her because of her belief. Presenter: Emma Barnett Producer: Lisa Jenkinson Studio Mangaer: Tim Heffer

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0:00.0	BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts
0:05.2	Hello, I'm Emma Barnett and welcome to Women's Hour from BBC Radio 4.
0:10.1	Good morning, welcome to the programme.
0:12.2	Shortly you're going to hear from a Ukrainian MP who, like many of her colleagues,
0:16.4	has been given a gun by her own government to protect herself.
0:19.9	She's one of many women who are staying in Ukraine,
0:22.7	some of whom say they've taken to their children now to safety
0:25.8	and are joining the men to enter the battle.
0:29.0	Also on today's programme.
0:30.4	After an interview on yesterday's show with Annelise Doves,
0:32.8	the Labour MP and Shadow of Women and Equalities Minister,
0:35.8	attracted a lot of attention due to her answer about how her political party defines the woman.
0:40.5	You can catch back up on that interview on BBC Sounds.
0:43.3	Part of that attention included several tweets from the author, J.K. Rowling.
0:47.5	Today you'll hear from a woman who thinks of Rowling as her fairy godmother.
0:51.7	That woman is Maya Forstata, who's talking to me as she fights the next stage
0:55.6	of her employment tribunal.
0:57.6	You may remember Maya lost her role at a company in 2019
1:00.9	after expressing beliefs about sex and gender,
1:03.5	and then eventually won the first part of her case.
1:06.5	In what's been described as a landmark ruling,
1:09.3	the judge said, in that rule,
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