Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to tell you why I love podcasting.

I'm Sasha Johansson, I'm an Assistant Commissioner for the BBC and I work on making podcasts.

My real passion is discovering unbelievable unheard stories and working with the biggest

stars who can really bring those stories to life.

I love the whole process of making podcasts from the spark of an idea to hearing the final

edit.

There's nothing like it.

What makes BBC podcast special is that we're working for you, so whatever we commission

has to reflect the things that you care about and love, wherever you are in the UK.

So if you like this BBC podcast, there's so much more to discover.

Have a listen on BBC Sounds.

It's been a massive week, if you don't mind me saying so, and I'm joined by Matt

Trum, C-E-O, Frank Smith.

Now Frank, you generally do your gigs on a Friday, but this time I'm asking you to do it

on a Thursday and that will all become clear once we've gone through it.

I've got to ask you, you get the phone call, you find out last week, you are the man fighting

the fire.

Lillian White is out, you need a new opponent, you take a deep breath, you sit down with

a pad, you have to break away from your holiday.

What do you start doing?

What's the first thing you start writing on that blank sheet of paper, Frank?

Do you know what, it was Saturday, about 1.30am in the morning.

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