Hello and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to Talk Shop, I'm your

host Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep

on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to figure out how to live stream using a flip

phone or else a scrappy upstart, ironically using a flip phone as a prop in your live stream,

this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most.

An ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the last Friday of April 2020, and I'm glad that you're here, and I hope that you're healthy and well.

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