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Hello, friends. Welcome to OnScript. This is Amy Brown Hughes, a co-host for the podcast with

Matt Lynch, Matt Bates, Aaronheim, Drew Johnson, and Chris Tilling. Today I have the pleasure

of speaking with Dr. Josh McNaul, assistant professor of pastoral theology at Oklahoma Wesleyan

University.

Zondervan Academic kindly sent me Josh's book, and just like anyone, getting a book in the mail, is like Christmas every time I go to my mailbox.

I opened it and immediately reached out to Josh, because it's high time we have a conversation about atonement.

Some of you are thinking, yes, I love talking about atonement.

Others of you are moaning about yet another take on what the atonement is that complicates rather than clarifies, yet another argument about which theory is better, etc. But my friends, this is not going to be one of those conversations. Today we're going to move toward, in Josh's words,

reintegration. We're going to spend time zooming in for the beautiful details and zooming out

on the beautiful picture in our discussion of his recent book, The Mosaic of Atonement,

an Integrated Approach to Christ's Work, published with Zondervin Academic in 2019.

I enjoyed this book immensely. Welcome, Josh.

Thanks, Amy. Thanks for having me.

So let's jump right in. There are various disciplines within theology, and as we've been

going through the theology stream of this podcast, have been introducing our listeners to various

versions. So there's historical, systematic, constructive, analytical, practical, and you are a

pastoral theologian. Could you start us off today by talking about pastoral theology as a

branch of practical theology and what your journey into pastoral theology looked like.

Sure.

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