Josh Hammer - ‘Charlie Kirk’s Death Changed Everything’, Candace Owens and The Broken Right
The Winston Marshall Show
Winston Marshall
4.8 • 660 Ratings
🗓️ 9 December 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I’m joined by Josh Hammer, conservative commentator and author of Israel and Civilisation, for a detailed breakdown of the chaos consuming the American right after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Hammer, a close friend of Kirk’s, explains how his murder has exposed deep fractures in the conservative movement, from figures like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Nick Fuentes to mainstream Christian Zionists and pro-Israel conservatives. He describes Charlie Kirk as “the glue that held the movement together,” arguing that without him, the American right is now entering a dangerous new phase of ideological civil war.
We discuss the rise of anti-Israel sentiment among young conservatives, the spread of conspiracy theories blaming “Jewish influence” for foreign policy, and how these narratives are being legitimised by populist commentators. Hammer traces how old-school nationalism has turned nihilistic, how figures once aligned with MAGA now flirt with antisemitism, and what this all means for the future of Western conservatism.
The collapse of unity after Kirk’s death, the conservative civil war over Israel, and the dangerous resurgence of antisemitism inside America’s political right.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
2:04 Josh's Response to Candace’s Accusations
10:01 The Nature of the Conservative Movement
20:27 The Impact of Charlie Kirk's Death
33:03 The Hamptons “Incident”
38:33 The Role of Social Media and Public Opinion
45:33 The Future of the Conservative Movement
46:44 Final Thoughts
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to The Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall. |
| 0:03.8 | I sat down with Newsweek's senior editor at large and host of the Josh Hammer Show, Josh Hammer. |
| 0:09.4 | Josh, as well as being a commentator, is also author of the book Israel and Civilization. |
| 0:14.3 | And we discussed, amongst many things, his entanglement with the civil war that's going on in the American commentariat on the right, |
| 0:24.8 | specifically since the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk, Josh's friend. |
| 0:30.0 | Josh has been attacked by the likes of Canisones and Nick Fuentes, |
| 0:33.7 | and Josh himself has not held back in speaking out against his opponents. |
| 0:37.2 | We took a deep dive |
| 0:38.6 | into all things that are going on in this Civil War. What really happened in the Hamptons, |
| 0:44.2 | what we might expect for the future and whether this is playing out at the political level. |
| 0:50.4 | If you head over to wintersmartial.co.uk, not only will you enjoy ad-free viewing and listening, |
| 0:56.3 | but you'll have the opportunity to ask future guests your questions if you look out for the |
| 1:00.6 | community chat function and you'll hear Josh answer some of our substackers questions, as well as |
| 1:06.9 | more questions from me about the relationship between American Israelis and Israel. |
| 1:11.9 | That is all exclusive to substack at Winston-martial.com. |
| 1:15.8 | Otherwise, thanks for listening. |
| 1:17.3 | Remember to press subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcast from. |
| 1:20.2 | And without further ado, Josh Hammer. |
| 1:22.9 | Josh Hammer. |
| 1:23.6 | Welcome to the show. |
| 1:24.3 | Thank you so much for coming to speak with me. |
| 1:26.7 | I'm key to talk to you about a few different things. You've been sort of in the firing line. You've had abuse held at you from the likes of Candice Owens, who's accused you of foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk's assassination and Nick Fuentes. And not only that, you have also not held, restrained yourself in responding |
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