Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We have a

guest with us today Joseph Spurgeon, actually pastor Joseph Spurgeon I should say

and you can go check out some of his work

Sovereign King Church is the church sovereign King Church.com is where you can go to

check out sermons and the blog and everything else and then of course there's also two books I want to

mention that Joseph Spurgeon has written for kids one is called it's good to be a boy one is called

it's good to be a girl and you can go get those on

Amazon or wherever books are sold and we want to talk today I want to talk to

Joseph Spurgeon because he has done a lot of work in the pro-life movement specifically so we'll see where the conversation takes us but I know today

there's a debate that pops up every once and a while in the comment section on some of my videos

between abolition and gradual approaches to

ending abortion so I want to get Joseph Spurgeon's take on that as well as to

hear about what what's been effective at the abortion clinics to try to dissuade women from making this

choice to go have their babies killed. So Joseph, welcome to the program.

Yeah, welcome. Thank you for having me. It's good to be here. Yeah, my pleasure. Absolutely. I did notice I have to say up front you're already

And that your head's kind of blocking it now, but you had a big John Wayne thing right. Yeah, right? Courage is being scared to death

but saddling up anyway.

That's actually my favorite John Wayne quote,

but the Jesus and John Wayne vibes,

I'm getting them.

It's triggering me right now.

So, toxic masculine Christianity.

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