Joseph Smith Prepares Church for Second Coming of Jesus - John Turner Pt. 8 | Ep. 2043
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.6 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 24 July 2025
⏱️ 142 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, we dive into Chapter Eight of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by John G. Turner, focusing on the fall of 1830 through the move to Kirtland, Ohio. We explore major challenges to Joseph Smith’s authority, including Hiram Page’s seer stone revelations and Oliver Cowdery’s pushback on church governance. Why did Joseph stop using a seer stone? What does it mean when revelations clash?
We also discuss:
-The origins of the concept of Zion
-Apocalyptic expectations, blood moons, and the Second Coming
-The influence of the Book of Enoch and Joseph’s expanding biblical vision
-Missionary work among Native Americans and the designation of Jackson County as the New Jerusalem
-Sidney Rigdon’s introduction and influence, including debates about his possible prior contact with Joseph Smith
-The emotional and financial sacrifices demanded of early followers—and what Joseph himself was giving up (or not)
With theological innovation, power struggles, failed prophecies, and spiritual fervor, this chapter reveals the complexity of Joseph Smith's evolving leadership. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that considers both historical context and human motivations.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Mormon Stories Podcast. |
| 0:03.4 | I'm your host, John DeLinn. |
| 0:04.4 | It's July 16th, 2025. |
| 0:07.2 | And we are now in part eight of our new podcast called the Joseph Smith Podcast, a sub-podcast for Mormon Stories Podcast. |
| 0:14.9 | And we are reviewing this brand new book by Yale University Press called Joseph Smith, The Rise and Fall of an American |
| 0:22.2 | Prophet by John G. Turner. |
| 0:25.3 | Today we're going to be covering chapter eight of his book, which is entitled, Enoch, 1830 to 1831. |
| 0:32.4 | And I just want to thank everyone who so far has donated to this project to make it possible. We are now |
| 0:40.0 | financed up through 11 episodes. So this will be the eighth. There will be at least three more. |
| 0:45.9 | And if people continue to support it, we're paying John for his efforts. We sent John his |
| 0:50.4 | first paycheck this week, paid him up through 10 episodes. And if you want to see this |
| 0:56.1 | series continue past 11 episodes, just go to donorbox.org slash Joseph Smith. And that's how you |
| 1:04.4 | will pay for it. We also ask that you subscribe to this channel, that you like it, that you comment. |
| 1:10.1 | We love your feedback. |
| 1:11.7 | We're going to try and do, spend some time responding to comments and feedback in a future |
| 1:16.5 | episode. You can email me at mormorstories.g.com. You can leave comments in the chats. You could also |
| 1:22.5 | email John Turner directly. But most importantly, please buy this book. Buy it at benchmark books. If you can, |
| 1:29.2 | they have signed copies. They'll send to you. You can find them on the internet. If you can't |
| 1:33.1 | buy it through benchmark because they're sold out, feel free to buy it through Amazon or Yale |
| 1:37.7 | University Press or wherever you buy your books. All right, without any further ado, |
| 1:43.6 | Professor John G. Turner, welcome back to Mormon Stories |
| 1:47.9 | Podcast. Thanks, John. I'm just going to take a second and just say, I'm really grateful to you for |
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