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Greetings to your listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg host of the Remnant Podcast brought to you by the dispatch and dispatch media

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so I have a I'm a little bit of an apology to listeners because

Our next guest is a first timer and that is entirely my fault. He should have been on here a long time ago

but part of it was

In the early days of the Remnant we didn't do that much foreign policy stuff and then also in the

There's also the the usual

intramural

Clanish rivalries between various think tanks that sometimes enter into these things and then the real the major issue is that

Our guest today though he's a friend of mine. He's really Steve's favorite and kind of like Steve's

He's Steve's think tank pretty much and has been for I don't know like 10 years or something like that and

And it always just sort of felt weird inviting the you know Steve is just like this guy is like Steve's property and

But I've but he is also a contributor to this batch

And it was he's long overdue so I want to apologize to Tom Jocelyn our guest today and to listeners

He's one of the smartest most interesting people

Around on on all things national security and terror related. He's a senior fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracy and he the senior editor at long-ward journal

Tom welcome to the Remnant. Oh, thanks to having me Jonah

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