The lost are less likely than in decades to darken the door of a church to learn about Jesus for the first time.

So where are they going to hear the good news of the gospel?

Do you and me working shoulder to shoulder with them Monday through Friday?

But if you believe, if you fall for Satan's lie that your work is secular, right?

Man, most dramatically, you're going to leave the very jobs

most likely to carry out the Great Commission in this post-Christian context. But at a minimum,

you're going to be a half-hearted creature while you stay there because you think that your job

and this thing you spend 40 hours a week doing is a waste in the grand scheme of eternity.

Best-selling author Jordan Rayner helps millions of Christians in every country connect the

gospel to their work. We're going to talk about his book, The Sacredness of Secular Work. Four

ways your job matters for eternity, even when you're not sharing the gospel.

Jordan, great to be with you. Thanks for coming on takeaways.

Kirk, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

I love the topic of this because I'm always about trying to figure out how I can bring more of

heaven to earth while I'm here. I'm down for heaven,

for eternity, and being with the Lord out of the presence of sin. But while we're here,

I'm always wondering, how can I maximize every minute of the day? And that's what your whole book is

about. That's exactly right, Kirk. Right? And I think for a lot

of believers, sadly, we have viewed the spiritual things we do as contributing to heaven on

earth, evangelism and prayer, but not these jobs that we've previously described as secular. But that

word secular most literally means without God. But you and I

Kirk believe that the Holy Spirit is literally with us wherever we go, yes? Yeah. And so the only thing we

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