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The Dr. Phil Podcast

Jordan Peterson: Why Ancient Stories Still Save Us

The Dr. Phil Podcast

Dr. Phil McGraw

Mental Health, Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education, Health & Fitness

4.413.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Phil sits down with clinical psychologist and bestselling author Dr. Jordan B. Peterson to discuss his new book, We Who Wrestle With God. In this wide-ranging conversation, Peterson breaks down why the foundational Biblical stories of rebellion, sacrifice, suffering, and triumph still hold power today. He explains how these ancient narratives offer more than moral lessons—they shape our psychology, our culture, and even our survival. From Cain and Abel to Abraham and Moses, find out why Peterson believes confronting these stories head-on can help heal modern chaos and personal despair.

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0:00.0

If you don't star in your own life,

0:02.2

who wants to be a bit player in their own life?

0:04.8

And you challenge people to do that.

0:07.1

That's what Pinocchio is at the beginning of his adventure, right?

0:10.1

Because he does these strings and invisible forces

0:13.0

are pulling on him from behind the scenes.

0:15.8

And you don't want to be that.

0:17.1

And that is what you are unless you're playing this role in your own life. You've heard me say right now in our country that we've got issues.

0:33.6

And on the short list is how it feels like so many people have simply forgotten

0:39.9

how to treat one another with dignity and respect, abandoning what it means to be a good

0:45.5

neighbor, citizen, and hero in their own life. And what is even more frightening is that we have a

0:51.7

generation of many young adults that don't truly

0:55.2

understand responsibility, hard work, or real sacrifice.

0:59.5

What we need is a lesson on how to restore the values and identity that this country

1:04.5

in the Western world were built on.

1:07.0

Now my guest tonight has a few ideas on how to do just that.

1:10.7

Dr. Jordan Peterson is a best-selling author, a clinical psychologist, whose podcast frequently

1:16.3

tops the charts in the education category.

1:19.2

His international lecture tour has sold out more than 400 venues.

1:24.7

In his new book, We Who Ressel with God, Perceptions of the Divine, Dr. Peterson

1:30.0

guides readers through the ancient foundational stories of the Western world. While doing so,

1:35.6

he analyzes the biblical accounts of rebellion, sacrifice, suffering, and triumph that stabilize,

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