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Hello I'm Anne McElvoy and welcome to the Intelligence Squared podcast

teamed up this week with Economist Radio.

You can find out about Intelligence Squared Podcasts and live events at intelligenceared.com. My guest is Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist

and professor at the University of Toronto. He's just written 12 rules for life, an antidote to chaos.

Rule number one is stand up straight with your shoulders back.

Rule number four, compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today.

Rule number six, set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world.

I think I've just felt that one Jordan.

And Rule number 12 pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

So far so modern folksy, but Peterson is best known these days as a scourge of much modern liberal thinking, a stance

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