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And it's another unfair up special look in at John Hanson's potential or now

imminent as it looks departure to Saudi Arabia. I'm delighted to say that we're

bipolar man from cop-outs, Liverpool's LGBTQ plus organization. And Paul,

um, we were just chatting a little bit before we went on air then and just when

this news breaks today, it's hard not to feel anything but, you know,

I don't know, confusion, sadness, a bit of disappointment. I don't know if you can

have any more objectives on to that really. Um, surprise was a big part of it as

well because we thought John was well settled, established leader, working

under a manager, he loves et cetera. And the actual

despotal destination just flies in the face of a man who's nailed as colors to

the master in terms of women's rights, in terms of LGBTQ plus rights and

a real shock to think this might be a possibility.

Um, still don't know if it's just mischief making. Still don't know any real truth.

There's been nothing official anywhere. And I, I'm just still quite skeptical of

the truth behind any of this. And that's the sort of tough thing. And I guess we

should always have that at the moment, certainly because, you know, this,

this is a man who ultimately has built up a great reputation for himself. You

know, we as Liverpool fans consider these things to be important and people

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